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5.18 - Point of No Return (SPN)

Okay let me try this -- my internet connection is very spotty. I hope it's not gonna choke on me. Anyway, this is not my normal long-winded review (thank god), but after watching this kick-ass and gratifying 100th episode, I'm left with this

burning question:

Dean said yes, didn't he?! True, he didn't say it to Michael in his "face", but he said it to the middleman -- the "guy" who broke the deal, so that counts, doesn't it?

Which means if Dean doesn't want Michael to "wear him to the prom", he would have to avoid the archangel with every means he got in the future. I think he only narrowly escaped being possessed by Michael here.

But I can't help thinking something fundamental about Dean has changed/evolved -- because how else could he have been able to kill another angel? Back in S4 episode 16 ("On the Head of a Pin"), it was established (via Uriel) that only an angel could kill another angel -- however, that in itself is convoluted because if true, the war between angels and demons is rather moot, isn't it? Regardless, that is what's been said, and I'm sticking to it for the moment. So unless the writers are going to ignore continuity, Dean has to have some angel grace in him to be able to ice Zachariah, I think.

Also in the past, Dean was not able to look directly into an angel's light, even a dying angel's. If I remember correctly, he had to shield his eyes when Anna's corporeal form burst into the intense light -- twice. So why was he able to stare at Zachariah's this time? Stare at it so intently he did that the reflection almost made his own eyes look transformed. That I believe is a CGI that was added intentionally, and I think it has a deeper meaning than a mere throwaway cool effect.

And then there's the title of this week's episode -- Point of No Return. If anything, I think that suggests something is moving forward to the point that they couldn't retrace back to where it was. I admit before watching the episode, I was very much worried it was referring to the brothers' relationship. But afterward, I realized that was not it (thank goodness).

Another lesser burning question was are we gonna see Adam again? In particular a Michael possessed Adam. At the conclusion of the episode, it was left in the open what happened to the third Winchester offspring. True, he wasn't the ideal vessel for Michael, but he was available. So did Michael pull a "Lucifer" and took a less than perfect deal? To be honest, as far as I'm concerned, I hope it was not the case -- for the simple fact that I don't wish to have the story diluted. Zachariah, although spiteful, spoken the truth here: Adam is the "illegitimate" half-brother of the ones that I do care about. With that being said, I concede Adam was used most effectively in this episode, adding to the story of Sam 'n Dean. I just don't wish to see it repeated often.

So what do you all think? I would love to hear your thinky thoughts on this.

p.s. Who else think Dean looked especially pretty in this week's episode? He's always pretty of course (and so was Sam), but I think this week he was "lit" (or "filtered") differently here. I particularly felt this during the scene in the panic room. Dean's face was much more vivid, his lips were almost "cherry-red", while Sam's face was devoid of its color:

Dean in panic room:

Sam in panic room:


I wonder if the technical choice wasn't made intentionally to emphasize the state of the protagonists: Dean as the one made peace with his decision to sacrifice himself, and Sam as the one most anxious over what his brother (and later on brothers) was planning on doing. All in all, this was indeed an excellent episode.


p.p.s. Just when I thought I finished with my questions, I remembered the letter. Did anyone made out what Dean has written? And to whom the letter was addressed? I kinda think the letter was meant for Sam, simply because all the rest of the stuff he put in that box had to meant for Sam -- the leather jacket, the key to the Impala, his favorite handgun (gosh, just typing it up is giving me the chill and making me misty eyed). Anyway, here's the screencap of the letter. It's the best I can do at the moment:



Please tell me what he wrote here (or part of it). I'm so blind I can't make out a thing!

Comments

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layne67
Apr. 17th, 2010 04:46 am (UTC)
There's a discussion over that letter here. But man, Dean's writing is NEAT. That kind of messed with the canon in my head that his writing is chicken-scrawl, him being a drop-out and all. But maybe since it was an important, goodbye letter, he made the effort to write neatly.

Wouldn't it be cool if Michael's already inside Dean without anyone realizing it? That Michael's able to use Dean without Dean losing his Dean-ess, that Dean is still Dean but with Michael there with him?
casey28
Apr. 17th, 2010 04:57 am (UTC)
Wouldn't it be cool if Michael's already inside Dean without anyone realizing it?

I don't see how that's possible, angels need permission to enter, and then Michael would have total control.
xwacky
Apr. 17th, 2010 06:28 am (UTC)
Mmm, I think there might be a third choice where a bit of angel "grace" might be put inside Dean when he was inside Mary's womb. A bit far-fetched at this point, I admit. But if Lucifer arranged to have demon blood dropped inside baby!Sam, so could Michael plan something too to baby!Dean, theoretically speaking.
casey28
Apr. 17th, 2010 10:40 am (UTC)
It's possible he has some angel grace, for the reasons you mentioned. I don't see that as Dean having some of Michael in him though, because the grace is his angelic powers, not Michael himself. When Anna had her grace removed, she existed separately from it.

I've always wondered what it is about Sam and Dean's bloodline, that makes them able to be vessels for archangels.
xwacky
Apr. 21st, 2010 11:54 pm (UTC)
I think it's implied that Sam and Dean are direct descendants of Cain and Abel, maybe John and Mary's union reunited the offspring of each brother back to the same house again?
casey28
Apr. 22nd, 2010 12:35 am (UTC)
Oh, that's an interesting thought!

What I'm curious about is what's in their blood itself that makes them powerful enough to be the true vessels of Lucifer and Michael. Like angelic grace, or something like that, back in the very beginning of their bloodline.
xwacky
Apr. 22nd, 2010 01:00 am (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's the blood itself or the bloodline that made them the vessels. What's the connection between Cain/Abel and Lucifer/Michael? The show seems to hint the First Brothers were vessels of the archangels. After all, the story of Cain and Abel is that of brother betraying brother, like Lucifer vs. Michael.

I wonder if the demon blood YED dropped in baby Sam's mouth didn't act as a marker or a "seed" that made him the vessel for Lucifer? Then again, Ruby said it wasn't the blood, so I don't know.
casey28
Apr. 22nd, 2010 01:40 am (UTC)
I figure it has to be something in the blood, I mean there's other angel vessels such as Jimmy, and they also have bloodlines going way back, and there must be something that makes them special, so they can be hosts. Of course, it's different than it is with Sam and Dean, in that they're not vessels for archangels, but still... And didn't Michael say something like, it's in your blood, your father's blood, your families blood. But yeah, the Cain and Abel thing has to mean something too, Idk.

When Ruby said it wasn't the blood, I think she's referring to the demon blood that Sam drank as an adult, not what Azazel gave him. That he didn't need it to use his powers, that he never needed the feather to fly. My guess is that the blood lowers his inhibitions, and brings out something latent in him, or that it enhances what's already there.

I have a feeling that Sam was intended to be Lucifer's vessel, even before Azazel gave him the blood, because of the connection the brothers have with each other, and their bloodline.
xwacky
Apr. 17th, 2010 05:59 am (UTC)
Oh thanks for the link. I'll go there to take a look in a minute. Can you give me a gist if anyone figured out what and to whom was Dean writing?

Hee, I wonder if Jensen indeed wrote the text himself. The handwritten letter could've been a prop that was produced by prop master. On the other hand, if Jensen took the challenge to learn and played the piano in DA for real, then for something as simple as writing a few words, I think he would've penned the letter himself. Besides, looking at the way Jensen signed his autograph, I distinctly have an impression he has pretty elegant penmanship. *g*

As to Dean, I've always seen his dropping out of high school as a form of "sacrifice". He may not be book smart like Sam, but I think he's far from illiterate. After all, he built an EMF detector from a walkman all on his own, and even he denies it, he obviously read more than he let on (whatnot with his knowledge of Vonnegut, etc).

Hmmm, I don't think Michael could've been inside of Dean at this point. You know me, earlier this season, I've speculated since Michael was such a no-show, he may be (born as) Dean without anyone realized it. However, that became impossible after Michael did show up inside younger!John and had a face-to-face conversation with Dean. Also, as Dean and Sam escaped Heaven's Green Room, the being that came behind their heels had to be Michael. With that being said, if Lucifer could arrange to have YED infect Sam with demonic blood, why couldn't Michael put certain grace inside Dean when he was inside Mary's womb, right?

I thought it was odd in "99 Problems", Dean was able to kill the false prophet. That to me says Dean is already a servant of Heaven. This could only mean two things -- and with an intention of saying yes isn't one of them -- a) Dean already possessed certain degrees of grace, hence he is a servant of heaven; or b) his resistance of acquiescence to Michael is actually the choice God wants him to make, and this rejection itself is a service to Heaven.

This episode certainly piqued my curiosity to a new height. I can't wait to see if the writers are going to tie these loose ends by season finale.
layne67
Apr. 17th, 2010 07:09 am (UTC)
It's mostly a discussion ( argument lol ) on to whom the letter was addressed. Some said Bobby, some said Sam. Someone managed to enlarge a cap of the letter but not much was seen unfortunately.

Oh no, I don't think Dean's stupid. It's just that the writing was almost scholar-like, it wasn't really in keeping with someone who thought that school was a waste of time. So yeah, I thought that was a bit OOC ( for me that is ). But then, doctors' handwriting are known to be bad so I guess formal education doesn't equal to good penmanship!

Hey, maybe Dean's an angel in his own right! Angel!Dean!! Or an angel in the making. Or part-angel with angel blood/grace/essence in him.

Edited at 2010-04-17 07:10 am (UTC)
xwacky
Apr. 17th, 2010 07:23 am (UTC)
Oh in that case, I won't bother to get involved in the argument then. Although I'm interested in who you think he's writing the letter to?

I know dear, you didn't mean Dean's stupid. Sorry I didn't make my meaning across correctly. My brain is about to shut down. I think the neat hand-writing is more of a Jensen thing. I'm sure if a prop master prepared the letter, the handwriting would've been scratchy, but since it's Jensen... ;-)

Hmmm, I also noticed the show makes a point of having Mary calling Dean her "little angel". So who knows if there's deeper myth behind that.
layne67
Apr. 17th, 2010 12:29 pm (UTC)
There's no doubt in my mind that the letter was for Sam. It quite surprised me really, to see people arguing about that :)

Know any handwriting analyst? I'd love to know what they say about Jensen! And yes, I think the letter was in Jensen's handwriting. It looked similar to what he wrote on the box.

Edited at 2010-04-17 12:30 pm (UTC)
xwacky
Apr. 21st, 2010 11:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I thought too, that the letter has to be for Sam.

Heehee, if the handwriting is authentically by Jensen's hand, I don't have to be a handwriting analyst to know that says he's neat and elegant. ;-)
layne67
Apr. 28th, 2010 09:14 am (UTC)
Regarding that letter DEan wrote, have you seen this? Apparently that's the best that they managed to get out of what Dean wrote.
casey28
Apr. 17th, 2010 04:50 am (UTC)
I think he has to say "yes" directly to Michael, in order for it to count. He also said he'd only do it, if his conditions were met.

It's never made sense to me that Uriel said that only an angel can kill an angel, because the angels thought that it was demons who were killing the angels, until Allistair told them otherwise.
xwacky
Apr. 17th, 2010 06:20 am (UTC)
I think he has to say "yes" directly to Michael, in order for it to count.

Mmm... That could be the case. But if so, I think it's so redundant and ineffective of the angels to have a "middleman" making the deal in the first place.

He also said he'd only do it, if his conditions were met.

Also could be true, and in this case, the condition is met -- Zachariah is incinerated.

As to how angels were killed -- Yes, Alistair said the demons didn't do it. But Castiel didn't really believe him. It wasn't until the disclosure that Angels can only be killed by other Angels came the irrefutable prove that those killings wasn't done by demonic powers. However, like you said, what Uriel said here didn't make much sense to me either, why would Demon go to war with these angels if they couldn't even kill them?
casey28
Apr. 17th, 2010 10:18 am (UTC)
I've never understood why Michael needs a middleman, either. unless it's because Michael can't locate Dean in his dreams, and he doesn't have a temporary vessel on a regular basis, like Lucifer, so he can't talk to him directly.

Also could be true, and in this case, the condition is met -- Zachariah is incinerated.

His condition was that Michael incinerate Zach. His other condtion was that some people would be protected, but Dean never had a chance to name who they were.

Also, Zach thought Dean might be lying, when he said that he'll do it, that he'll say yes, and Dean had to reassure him. Which means that Zach wasn't sure at first, if Dean would actually do it, once he called Michael down. Which means the yes that was said there, wasn't the final "yes".

I wonder if Uriel was referring to the angel-killing knife, rather then only an angel can kill another angel. Because, like you say here...

why would Demon go to war with these angels if they couldn't even kill them?
ckll
Apr. 17th, 2010 05:21 am (UTC)
I wonder if Dean said the yes last time when he killed the bitch.
xwacky
Apr. 17th, 2010 06:34 am (UTC)
I agree it was odd that Dean was able to kill the false prophet in "99 Problems". What's funny was when I watched the ep with my friend, we kept yelling to the TV: "She's not dead, she's not dead!" But then she was, and Dean took off. So I was shocked.

But surely with an intention to say yes is different from actually saying yes, right? So I wonder if there's more twist behind why Dean was able to kill the "Whore".

I'm almost sure Dean formally said yes here. True he didn't say it to Michael, but he said it to the deal broker. So I think if Michael can catch up with Dean, he is now able to possess Dean (run, Dean, run!)
casey28
Apr. 17th, 2010 10:23 am (UTC)
But surely with an intention to say yes is different from actually saying yes, right? So I wonder if there's more twist behind why Dean was able to kill the "Whore".

The intention to say yes (at least at that moment), made him a servant of heaven, and so he was able to kill the "Whore".
xwacky
Apr. 22nd, 2010 12:08 am (UTC)
Mmmm, I don't believe intention alone is enough. If that's the case, almost everyone is "servant to heaven", including these town's people who were Hell bound. Surely when they committed those atrocities, their intention was to serve and obey the angels?
casey28
Apr. 22nd, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)
In this case, the townspeople didn't know they weren't serving heaven, and the angels themselves have committed atrocities, they helped bring about the Apocalypse, and if Michael battles Lucifer, it'll kill billions of people. Being a servant of heaven meant that Dean made the decision to say yes, which put him on the side of heaven, at least in that moment, but heaven itself is not pure and blameless. Some of the angels (like Zachariah) are no better than the demons.

xwacky
Apr. 22nd, 2010 01:13 am (UTC)
I don't disagree with what you said here. But regardless of what angels did, they still represent heaven, and the towns people thought they were following their instructions, so their intentions were to serve heaven.

I'm not entirely sure what would happen if Michael battles Lucifer.
casey28
Apr. 22nd, 2010 01:26 am (UTC)
Yes, it was their intention to serve heaven, exactly.

I'm not entirely sure what would happen if Michael battles Lucifer.

I'm not sure, either. But I'm going by what Michael and Zach and others have said.... that if Michael fights Lucifer, it would roast half the planet. It's at least what they believe, and it means that Michael is willing to let billions of people die, in his fight with Lucifer.
i_o_r_h_a_e_l
Apr. 17th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC)
About Dean, I thought more or less the same with you. And I think the writers are establishing something about him since last episode when he killed the whore. Who knows perhaps Dean is not a human anymore. I'm so excited about it actually.

And Dean's lips... hmm, Dean's cherry pink lips...
xwacky
Apr. 17th, 2010 06:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, I also think there's twist implied with the fact Dean was able to kill the false prophet. I just don't think a mere intention to say "yes" to Michael turns him into a "servant of Heaven". I actually thought meant one of the two thing: Dean either already has some angel grace (maybe put inside him when Mary was pregnant); or his refusal of Michael is what God wants him to do, hence he's servicing Heaven according to God's wishes.

Who knows. I think these are some tantalizing loose ends or breadcrumbs the writers left us with. Let's hope they get addressed and cleaned up before the season is over!

And a toast to Dean's cherry lips... *cheers*
i_o_r_h_a_e_l
Apr. 17th, 2010 06:52 am (UTC)
his refusal of Michael is what God wants him to do, hence he's servicing Heaven according to God's wishes

Oh goody. That's an excellent idea. Makes me think of espionage stories I'm reading. Actually Dean is an agent from a totally different company. :)
xwacky
Apr. 17th, 2010 07:25 am (UTC)
Heee, is that the one by fleshflutter? If so, it should be Jensen, not Dean. ;-)

How far along are you? God I love that story!
i_o_r_h_a_e_l
Apr. 18th, 2010 06:54 am (UTC)
That and novels by Robert Ludlum I've been reading. :D Oh, and I finished it. \o/
anastdean
Apr. 17th, 2010 08:46 am (UTC)
You got a point there my lovely friend. When I saw the episodes I only dismissed it cause he had the sword and everything, but it was last time with the whore too. But then people said that the true servant of God could mean nothing more than what the actual words mean.

As for continuity, I don't know after we lost the ring, I think writers are getting slopy and don't tell me you were convinced with Jensen's diminishing the ring at the LA con.
We had it for 5 years and now it means nothing.
What I'm trying to say is usually Kripke has it all planned in his head, but maybe after 5 years, maybe not so much anymore.

Anyway long comments. Hearts and hugs and wishing you an amazing weeekend.
xwacky
Apr. 22nd, 2010 12:17 am (UTC)
Sweetie, thanks for the lovely comment. Sorry I'm so late to reply. I suck sometimes.

And like you, I don't buy what Jensen said about the ring either. There's definitely a story behind why he "lost" the ring and the bracelet together in the middle of the 5th season. The timing is everything I think, but if he's unwilling to diverge, I'll just chalk it up to Dean misplaced his accessories. ;-)

And Kripke! I wonder if Mary calling Dean her "little angel" would end up like Mary telling Sam "I'm sorry" -- that there's more to it than what meets the eye.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 17th, 2010 12:47 pm (UTC)
First, I can't tell what the letter says, but when watching, I just assumed it was to Sam.

Yes, Jensen looked especially hot this episode. How about that wink he gave Sam?? Holy cow!!!!

I have the same questions about Dean killing Zach and how he was able to look right into Zach's eyes. I'm also wondering, since he said "yes" to Zach, then Michael showed up, what that means. I wouldn't be surprised if this all ends up the way the angels and demons have said--both boys playing their parts as meat suits. I half think that Kripke thinks that we don't think he'll go there ("team free will" and all), so he will go there. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised.


I don't really care for the third brother storyline (I didn't like it from the get go), but I had the same thought as you (that Michael would take Adam much like Lucifer took Nick).

Actually, I had alot of issues with this episode. I wanted to take all of the characters (except Zach) and shake them at one point or another. I do think the acting was top-notch, but I feel like the writers have forgotten some things that I, as a viewer, haven't, which is why I was irritated at the episode.

But, to reiterate again, Jensen/Dean was looking especially fine in this one!!!!

mick
xwacky
Apr. 22nd, 2010 01:54 am (UTC)
Mick! Sorry about my lateness.

I too believed the letter is for Sam. And that wink was holy moly!

Hee, I always do a double take whenever I see Zachariah referred as Zach. I don't know why I get thrown off thinking it's about Zak, you know, Lee's little brother? \o/

It would be interesting to see if Kripke's attitude about destiny is different from RDM's. In that sense, I'm very eager to see how season 5 is going to play out.

I don't get why people say Adam (Jake Abel) was Dean (Jensen) like. To me, aside from them having the same hair style and dressed in almost identical clothes, they look nothing alike. Character wise, Adam was rather flat to me. He's mostly petulant, not a character I'd have patience to get to know.

Oh dear, I do hope you would elaborate your issues here! *pretty please*

Yes, Jensen was especially fine in this episode. And I don't just mean his looks. Then again, I'm a broken record in repeating how fine an actor Jensen is. What impressed me also was how good Jared played Sam here. Those scenes in the panic room? Tremendous!
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xwacky
Apr. 22nd, 2010 02:15 am (UTC)
Heehee, maybe there's a proverbial "switch" in Dean that got turned on somehow since "99 Problems" (hey that's why he could kill the "Whore"). At least it wasn't triggered by Bob Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower"! ;-)

Seriously though, I know what you mean here.

But I can't settle on whether I wish to see the boys fulfill their destiny as Michael and Lucifer's vessels and then beat the odds and rewrite "history", or having them "screw destiny" altogether like they vowed to do.

Like you said, I also believe Sam and Dean's saving grace -- their ultimate weapon -- is their love & devotion to each other. What Dean and Sam has between them I believe is much stronger than whatever was between Michael and Lucifer. So Dean might be wrong here -- the power of love might just save the day in the end.

I too am curious about what was on Kripke's mind. How different his take on Destiny would compare to RDM's. Would Kripke believe What happened before will happen again? ;-)

Edited at 2010-04-22 02:16 am (UTC)
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xwacky
Apr. 22nd, 2010 02:22 am (UTC)
if Dean managed to kill Zach then could he kill Lucifer? After all Lucifer is an Angel too.

That is a good one! At this point, everything is rather murky, and I think it's because the writers wanted this way. I know I'm totally intrigued and psyched about the rest of the season!

Hon, thanks for trying to answer my questions. Your musings gave me more angles to think about. :D
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